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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:36:48 GMT -4
Here's my issue. My brides aunt owns a cabin around Leech Lake in Minnesota that I can use. Minnesota allows 3 baits per hunter and you can start baiting 8/16. Season starts 9/1. If I start the bait the first day I can, do you think it would be a waste of time to wait 2 weeks before going back? It's a 1600 mile round trip. Won't be bad if I can find a partner or 2 to share expense. If you think 2 weeks is OK, what type of bait. I have access to a pretty much unlimited supply of donuts and fryer grease. I figure a 55 drum half full with a grease trap around it. Any thought other than I'm crazy. Already know that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:47:33 GMT -4
I've always lived in states that don't allow baiting so I won't to blow any smoke up your sleeve. I know Tuk's, Skeeter, Pipepusher, & I'm sure several others are experienced. If you don't get a reply in 24 hrs, I'll ring some doorbells.
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Post by skeeter on Mar 13, 2017 19:10:12 GMT -4
Now we're talking! 1600 mile round trip. WOW! You definitely will need a GOOD plan!
First off, what kind of bear will make you happy? anything black? any sex? respectable or a monster?
What type of barrel presentation will you use? open ended? large access hole? small access hole/ Teeny weeny hole? Barrel securely fastened, somewhat fastened, a shaker barrel? a roller barrel? and elevated barrel?
Bait volume needs to keep bears (and varmints) happy for 2 weeks. and bait variety needs to remain palatable for 2 weeks as well. Also is your bait prone to rotting? The hot August days can sour bait in a real hurry.
Call lure! A bait is useless unless a bear finds it! What kind and how long will it last.
As you can see, you've got some decisions to make!
and yes, you are crazy! Welcome to the club grasshopper!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:36:45 GMT -4
Enlighten me. Figured donuts would stay best for 2 weeks. Grease trap around the barrel would lure them in. Thinking chained to a tree with a smaller square hole (learned that here). Show up a couple days before season to refresh a do a honey burn to peak their interest. Considering this is a cheap way to hunt and the closest state with a bear season, this is a work in progress, ducks in a row type thing. What am I missing? Not picky about the size of bear as long as it's bigger than a huggy.
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Post by skeeter on Mar 13, 2017 22:12:26 GMT -4
IMO If it was me and now knowing what your goals are - this is what I would do. Trust me when I say I have tried just about every design out there and this is the BEST for your scenario trying to get the most mileage from the set-up. The power needed to roll the barrels and the small holes will assure that you're feeding more bears and less varmints. You need to get 2 weeks!
understand this before we go any further ... my barrel, used in this manner is emptied in 7 days when the bears are on it. It's amazing what they can accomplish! BUT since you are on a 2 week schedule this plan is for you! a 2 barrel system!
make these 2 barrels at home before you go. make sure there are no sharp edges. first off I would need 2 barrels (steel) with a removable lid with a bolt-on retaining strap. Drill 1/4" hole dead center in the bottom. stick in one end of an 8 foot long 3/16" cable. Take a piece of metal 4x4 or flatbar, or piece of angle iron or just a 6" piece of 2x4 wood... and drill a 1/4" hole in that too and use it on the inside as a large washer. Install a cable clamp. take the other end and loop it LOOSELY around a tree trunk. I much prefer to stake mine out away from any trees so that the barrel can be rolled around in a 10 to 12 foot diameter circle by the bears and not get hung up on anything like saplings etc. The cable spins freely in the barrel and does not kink the cable.
Barrel #1 make a small square hole 2x2 inches right in the middle (NO BIGGER or cubs will be in up to their armpits). Into this barrel I would put my donuts, bread, bagels and two 10 to 12" dia - 2" thick rocks. These rocks would break down the larger, harder donuts,bagels,bread and help to blend and distribute the sugars and jams. The bears will work this barrel first because of the sweets. This is good because this barrel with damp, moist donuts will start to go moldy after 7 days in the heat if they don't clean it out. Barrel #2
Drill two 1" holes and fill this barrel with dry dog food, popcorn, oats ... you can drizzle 1 liter of chocolate syrup or maple syrup or pancake syrup but no more then 1 liter. also add a box of jello powder. That's it! NO GREASE, NO Molasses! This barrel will get you through week 2 and keep them there till you show up. This dryer bait will not spoil or go moldy - perfect!
The beauty of this set-up is you only need to haul the donuts from home. The dog food or oats can be purchased when you get there saving wear and tear on the truck!
I DO NOT LIKE GREASE PITS! IMO it's just a greasy fricken mess. If you feel the need to do it - then do it 10 yds away from the bait site. I use to use grease successfully for my call lure. I used a kids super soaker to suck it up then blasted it up and down tree trunks and all over the foliage. In the hot sun it melted and ran and the wind would carry it everywhere. And the varmints, crows, ravens, vultures never stole it like they do with meat or beavers. A nice big honey burn on the day you put in the baits won't hurt you either.
Trust me - once you get a few bears on the bait they will be there all the time - tumbling those rocks around and in that northern forest sound carries further then any call lure will and it's not wind dependant. Feeding bears make noise and other bears know the sound! Like Indian war drums!
I've graduated past this barrel method but for a new guy starting out that just wants a bear this is a simple, simple, proven system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 6:24:47 GMT -4
Thank you. It's refreshing to find someone on a forum willing to help. Will the donuts mold that fast if I set up a dryer system? I like the grease on the tree trunk idea. Hated trying to work around it and stepping in it. Not sure if I can use 2 barrel per site. Minnesota says you can only have 3 baits per hunter, so ill look in to that. I've noticed that you've used hanging barrel and auto feeders. What's the advantage to a hanging barrel? I can easily haul 4 barrels with my quad and trailer plus bait. I like to stock pile me bait supplies because I have cheap outlets around home. I'm assuming you mean rolled oats in the barrel. I've sprayed down trees with annis oil or vanilla a day or two before hunting. I'd do this when I refill barrels a couple days before season if you think this will help. Lat time I was in International Falls, I saw a bear that was taken around Orr that weighed over 850#. Took 4 of us to roll him on the fork lift. Not looking for that, but know there are big bears in the area. I love hunting and eating bear. This is a place I can hunt bear DIY without breaking the bank. Can also take my bride with me and maybe can her in the woods with me. Heck, she sat with me when I tried calling one in and in the blind in Africa. Sorry, I'm rambling.
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Post by skeeter on Mar 14, 2017 10:07:43 GMT -4
Hey the only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask. I got to where I am because I NEVER asked all those stupid questions. (if I did there were no answers other then Outdoor Life magazine - DUH!) I learned from 30 years of stupid mistakes. Every year I figured I corrected the stupidity of the previous year only to realize - yup more stupidity. The school of hard knocks is sometimes unforgiving.
Yes I have graduated to an elevated, sow and cub - yearling weaning system and I'm still tweaking it. BUT for a new guy like you the roller barrel system makes the most sense for simplicity, bait retention, longevity, and varmint control. I do not know what the laws in your state allow. If it's 3 baits then I assume 3 bait sites. 2 barrels per bait site will be perfect. you should be able to handle that. and you never know what will walk out of the woods. boo-boo or king kong!
YES if you sun dry out your (cubed) donuts then they will last a long long long time. bearquestobsession.freeforums.net/thread/101/donut-dryers
I have a bushel of dried donuts in my garage from last July (8 months ago) and they are just like they were back then. Like dry dog food. I did this purposely to see how they held up. To say the least I AM IMPRESSED. I've got 7 freezers for bear bait. Now I don't have to turn them on! YAHOO! Also the weight of each bag went from 57 lbs down to 41 lbs when dried. In the game of bear baiting SIZE DOES MATTER and so does weight which correlates to effort, fatigue, gas mileage, bad back, etc.
Again I will restate No molasses, no grease on your bait. YOU DON'T need it. Use the money for gas! Your donuts /popcorn / grain / dog food / with a quart of syrup/chocolate and a pack of Jello is all you need. More is just overkill. Best advice I ever got was "don't try to fool them, JUST feed them" . The only grease you'll need is if you decide to use it for a call lure. Just remember - only grease the woods on the opposite side of the barrel from where your treestand will be. If your bait is in the middle of a clock and your stand is at 6 o'clock then grease at 9, 12, and 3 o'clock. Too much of what I see today in bear baiting is excess. Most figure if a little is good a whole lot more is better! Not true and can be detrimental. Just feed them. they're looking for calories - sounds too simple but it is.
So now that your barrels and bait have a direction - anything else?
Once you get those barrels in the woods and hopefully get active baits then your DIY bear hunt should be a lot less money then going through a guide service. Your fortunate to have free lodging.
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Post by skeeter on Mar 14, 2017 13:11:24 GMT -4
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Post by tuketu on Mar 15, 2017 7:41:39 GMT -4
Great footage Skeeter! I must say I'm surprised at the bears tenacity for such little return for his efforts.
I wish I had something to add to your question, but I think Skeeter has covered the topic quite thoroughly. I've been using a 3 barrel system for no other reason than to keep the bears fed. Being an established site and only about 15 miles away I bait every 3-4 days.One thing I would reiterate is not to make the bait holes too big. I'm going to have to minimize my holes as they just allow to much bait to be taken easily.
Was nice to see some cubs again last Fall ... I seem to be blessed with a great diversity of ages at my site. We've had two bears out of those woods that aged 18 & 21 years old !
Still working on my Skeeter Feeder ... Need to get the feed baffle part figured out and installed ! Starting to get ginned up again for Fall already.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 16:54:36 GMT -4
I felt confident in my ability to hunt bear before asking the question. Even though I've always hunted with a guide in the past, because we had to, I've always done the baiting when I started hunting. Now I feel that this total DIY hunt is a very doable thing. I can not thank you enough for the advice and know that it will be put to good use. Threw the idea up to my son and he jumped all over it. Talked to him at 9 am this morning and he's already got 4 barrels rounded up. Thanks again.
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Post by skeeter on Mar 16, 2017 7:49:33 GMT -4
Good to hear! Once you start baiting on your own your entire perspective about bears and hunting them will change. It's way different then a guided hunt. All and any results will be ALL YOU. There isn't any pressure or desperation to take a bear. The bears you leave are your future. Welcome aboard.
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Post by pipepusher on Mar 18, 2017 1:07:53 GMT -4
Good luck ilbowhnter, glad to hear your spirit. The fall may be different then the spring when I hunt, but I do not usually get bear in till the end of the 1st week. So 1 barrel gets me the 2 weeks. Do not be discouraged if you can use only 1 barrel. Skeeter has steered you correct about the small holes as bait thiefs could be your biggest problem. I would suggest if you set up more than 1 to use a different bait at each. For instance my bears do Not eat grain, pop corn or dog food. I also squirt oil into the trees as well as anise and vanilla mixture. Also I will squirt a cheap bottle of maple syrup on all the brush right around the bait barrel. Now the set up. You may know as you have hunted with guides but do not set the site up where you can see well. It must be in very dense cover with a limited view to the bait. Bears need to feel secure more than anything else as they approach. The bears are supposed to approach from downwind so many hunters set there stand to one side. I do not, I leave my sweaty tee shirt after baiting at the site. So when they smell me , they will not be alarmed. Consequently I have many bear come in and look over my shoulder to get the same view I have. lol ( I hunt from the ground ) Keep asking questions and get all worked up. We are rooting for you. This is the best chess match I have ever done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 8:35:31 GMT -4
Looking at a 2018 hunt so we have time to round things up and get ready. I agree about the bait placement. A group of us hunted in Ontario spring season a few years back and the bait sites were too open. Ended up moving 3 of them a 100 yards or so and killed 4 bears off the new sites. Went back the next year a the guide was using our new sites. Go figure. My thinking for fall bear bait is fat and carbs. Like I said, donuts are an easy and free get for me, just have to go pick them up. I'm looking forward to the challenge. At this point in my like, getting setup on and big buck is more exciting than shooting one. Rambling again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 11:11:06 GMT -4
Rambling good new friend...I'm a master at it...speaking of masters, there's been some good stuff posted here! Thanks for stirr'in things up & asking questions...we all profit...er edified I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 6:14:56 GMT -4
Well, just found out that you can only use barrels on private land. Back to the drawing board.
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