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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 1:02:54 GMT -4
Long legs, big ears = younger bear. Actually, I have on 2 occasions seen an interesting measurement/wt table. The table I am referring to was compiled from a lifetime of bear hunt'in. I don't recall if it was a private hunter or a government hunter who was required to keep records (I tend to think the latter is correct). Bears aren't exactly like us people but it is true that people come in all shapes & sizes & bears do also but not to such extremes. The table I'm referring to gives girth & nose to tail measurements. The author stated that the data collected represents hundreds of bears taken, measured, & weighed in a career of bear hunting.
Having taken only 5 Black Bear in my lifetime (so far) does not qualify me as an expert. My largest bear taken in the spring of 2008 measured 48" at his widest girth & 72" nose to tail laying on his back. The tables indicate that is a bear within the range close to 300#. I only wish I had scales available to verify this. As soon as I learn how to post pics of him, you can see for yourself. One thing for certain, of the 5 taken, he was the only one I had to call for help to get him loaded into the back of my Jeep.
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Post by tuketu on Feb 8, 2016 11:02:09 GMT -4
From my own observations all I can say is that bear shapes and sizes are as varied as humans. Generally speaking tho ... you'll know a big bear when you see it, no question.
This fella from 2014, had a habit of showing up moments after I'd leave. I never did lay eyes on him.
The ones I still find most hard to judge are the bears in the 200 lb range. These are the ones that teeter between the the second ring and top of the barrel. These bears are at that stage where they begin to show some semblance of size. This is where body shape really comes into play when judging their amplitude. Is it short and stubby? Tall, long and lean? Is it's belly low to the ground?
A couple of pearls that Bea (Blackwidow) passed onto me when sizing bears are ...1 ... If It's back is at the top of the barrel ...It's a shooter, and ...2 ... If the barrel is laying down and you can't stuff it in the barrel ...It's a shooter.
What would you do?
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Post by skeeter on Feb 8, 2016 15:34:22 GMT -4
Ultimately a hunter should know the size of his barrels. Barrels vary in size from area to area and also for what the intended uses of it were. Barrels shipped in from different countries are also different in size and construction. From the attachment below you can get a feel of the size of a barrel. Something to remember is that most barrels when laying on their side are approximately the same in height (their diameter) as the second compression ring when they're standing up.
Knowing your barrels before you climb into the tree will help you immensely when you need to make a decision to shoot - or not shoot. Most of us only get one tag per year. Ground shrinkage can make for a long year waiting to go back and avenge yourself.
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Post by skeeter on Feb 8, 2016 15:40:39 GMT -4
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Post by tuketu on Feb 8, 2016 15:54:55 GMT -4
Great info guys !
Sideswipe , I'm just going by what I've seen hunting over bait and the 100's upon 100's of trailcam pics I've processed over the years.You get a lot of time to look at bears when you're hunting over bait. Hunting Spot and Stalk as you do is so cool but I doubt I'd be able to adequately judge weight being on the ground, eye to eye. I remember a couple years ago I helped a Buddy dress out what I thought was a passer .. not too long but a fat little bugger ... I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see with my own eyes ...Live weight was 230 lbs , I'd shot bigger bears that weighed 50 lbs less !
Skeeter does it say where the measurement is taken from ... ie ...right behind front legs? largest area of girth ?
Where would you measure this Hog?
tuk
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Post by skeeter on Feb 8, 2016 20:55:51 GMT -4
Great info guys !
Skeeter does it say where the measurement is taken from ... ie ...right behind front legs? largest area of girth ?
Where would you measure this Hog?
tuktuk I would measure about 3 to 4" behind the front legs. on the chest. (not the big draping belly!) I have to find the other girth chart that we used to use back 20 yrs ago. now I have a digital scale good to 880 lbs. We weight every one. this chart is better then my old one because it incorporates a length measurement |
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Post by tuketu on Feb 8, 2016 21:50:00 GMT -4
I guess it all comes down to the scales Skeet !
Ya never know til ya get them on the scales !
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Post by pipepusher on Feb 18, 2016 1:44:22 GMT -4
Glad to see you here skeeter! When I get up to speed...we will talk.
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Post by skeeter on May 23, 2016 8:36:48 GMT -4
here's the scales I now use. no glass, no spring, lightweight, small, portable
We broke the 440lb Moultry unit and also broke the 550lb Cabela scale.
I have 2 of these and when hung together back to back gives you 880lbs WOW! would love to break those for sure!
AWS TL-440 Industrial Hanging Scale 440lb x 0.5lb American Weigh Scales
The American Weigh Scales AWS TL-440 heavy duty digital hanging scales for professional, industrial,
agricultural and general applications when weighing items that are difficult to place on a platform scale.
Includes shackle with locking latch and an S-hook for attaching loads. The scale is available in two
capacities to suit your application needs. Weighs in two modes; lbs or kgs. Hold and Tare functions.
Features:
•Durable, built to last
•Two large capacities to choose from: 440lb x 0.5lb / 330lb x 0.2lb
•Portable, easy to take with you anywhere
•Two hook system
•One hook latches for safety
•CR2032 Battery powered
•Tare feature
•Hold feature
•LCD for easy viewing
•Perfect for weighing items that are difficult to place on a platform scale.
•Ideal for agriculture, industrial, or general use
•Reads in pounds and kilograms
Model TL-440
Capacity: 440lb200kg
Resolution: 0.5lb / 0.5kg
Scale Dimensions: 13.0 x 2.8 x 1.3" (with attachments) 6.0 x 2.8 x 1.3" (without attachments)
Weighing Units: lb, kg
Power: Two CR2032 Batteries (Included)
Warranty: AWS 10 Year Limited Warranty |
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Post by tuketu on May 23, 2016 20:40:34 GMT -4
To where would one go to possess said scales Skeeter ? Is there a distributor? And just how much are these scales?
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Post by skeeter on May 24, 2016 7:30:21 GMT -4
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Post by mack11 on May 24, 2016 20:44:46 GMT -4
Just ordered the red scale. Reviews seemed good.
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Post by tuketu on May 24, 2016 21:03:28 GMT -4
So mack11 ...What was the final tally?
I'm seriously looking at getting one as well ... $59 Can. EBay
Holy Crap ... $101 on Amazon.ca, quite a difference
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Post by skeeter on May 24, 2016 23:28:04 GMT -4
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Post by losthunter on May 25, 2017 9:20:47 GMT -4
those spring loaded scales are pretty inaccurate....but i still use one....it does provide at least an even keel for bear to bear....even if its off 10-15 lbs. my biggest frustration with them is at times they will give a dif weight on the same bear lol.....but I'm mre interested in skull score than weight anyways....so I continue to use the one I have. Here's one constant Ive found tho.....if and when u see a big bear....there is no doubt about it, one glance and you know it's a big one. The trouble lies in the 240 to 300 lbs bears I find..... for fun ( and to get some action on tuk's forum) this bear below is a target bear for me next week......any guesses on weight? Just for fun...always tuff from a pic.....but this is a chat forum afterall....so lets chat haha.  |
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